jed, you are on the all out assault mode, aren't you? but got to admit your points make sense. maybe it just shows that there's lack of talent in DAP?
xx88
· 1 year ago
Blackbeard,
You are quite right about being on assault mode. =) So dull to be so docile all the time...
O_O
· 1 year ago
is anwar ibrahim from kulim? he's interested to join the election there.
xx88
· 1 year ago
Hey O-O
This is the kinda practice that I hope to stop. We don't want politicians just parachuting in wherever they like just to get into parliament or the state legislative council... I think it's fair that only ppl born in a certain state can run in that constituency not just having an "address" from there...The politicians keep changing it anyway.... I think it really makes a diff to have an Ipoh boy, Penang lang, etc to look after a community's interest instead of some opportunists hopping in..=)
aiyomanaboleh
· 1 year ago
If this guy brought up in Singapore can do the job, why not? But when he starts imposing his kiasu style of administration, I'll be the first to kick him out.
To me life should be as loosely knitted as possible like an eric dolphy or john contrane jazz improvision.
xx88
· 1 year ago
In particular with regards to Tony
You can see that he has good suggestions but from an outsider point of view as he has not seen the vast improvements over the years along with the ruination... I think it's an honour that he wants to serve PJ but he is not even from there..So his motives are questionable... I believe that it's more important to safeguard a community's interest than let any Tom, Dick, Harry fly in. I would vote for anyone regardless of race/religion from a community than a parachutist. Well, the candidate should be ideally qualified too. And each community should have enough talent. Just to show that I'm not picking on Tony (although I am still playing that hobby "game", don't take it so seriously-lah), Lim Si Pin, Gerakan candidate for Batu vs Tian (MP), is from Ipoh. Why doesn't Si Pi run in Ipoh?
O_O
· 1 year ago
yep, it says a lot about how politicians these day operate, they just put their names in for an election at a location in god-knows-where-land, just so that they could get to the top.
take khairy jamaluddin for instance, yes, he's from rembau, but he's only being the wakil rakyat there so he could become the next hot shot PM, even knowing himself what a bastard he really is, please pardon my french.
when you say that you want someone who originated there to contest in the election, i understand what you mean, you want his/her heart there so that he would properly to take care of the place. but apparently thats not really the case with most politicians in Malaysia. too much power greedy people here in this country, no wait, let me correct that, THE WORLD.
i gotta tell ya, im no anwar supporter, so yes, the same opinion befalls on him, when he's running around saying that he'll contest anywhere it need be so that it'll be his ticket to the PM post. and that tells us a lot. the word opportunist (just like how you mentioned) kind of spelled itself out loud on that one.
anyway, its O_O not O-O, haha, just kidding =P
noevil
· 1 year ago
I am sure you have lost quite a lot of your fans with your recent post. You go bonkers whenever someone says something good about Tony. sigh .... Come on, don't let your emotion get better of you, you are a star too...:)
xx88
· 1 year ago
O-O
I agree. I think it's quite despicable that politicians like Anwar say they can contest anywhere they like. Like KJ in Rembau.. I mean, would you believe them if they say they have the interests of the community at heart?
kbguy
· 1 year ago
I though u said Kelantan are prejudice. Haha.. Kelantanese always differentaiate outsiders and locals. Now u r back in KL, and you are the same too...kah! kah! kah! Probably thats what we call human species.
xx88
· 1 year ago
I mean looking at the issue beyond tony, i think it's only "fair" that soemone who wants to be represent a community should at least be born there or lived there after X number of years. Why should KLians/PJians give thess opportunists a free ticket to parliament? I am surprised Penang voted for so many outsiders but they must be pissed off with Koh Tsu Koon. I have no plans to be an MP/ADUN. There are other ppl from KL/PJ who are much better candidates. Even if I do run, I have no plans and don't see any in the future, I won't jump to some "safe" seat like erm, lots of BN ppl -- Yen2 in Raub, Hee Leong (i think he is pretty much a KL boy? am i wrong??), tian in batu (should be in malacca), KJ in rembau... I agree with WilayahKini, the system is being exploited to such an extent that it's farcical. Elected reps should represent the community, not be a ticket to parliament/state assembly.
xx88
· 1 year ago
Hannah is prob a better choiice for PJU MP but sadly she is not loaded like Tony?
xx88
· 1 year ago
KB Guy
We don't most of the time. There is no or llittle discrimination when it comes to cari makan, biz, etc But if u want to represent us, then at least be born here?
tyu
· 1 year ago
hey Jed, Hannah is from Subang Jaya, Not PJ, she's also an outsider if she runs for PJU :P
el
· 1 year ago
well... where should we put KJ then??
jed, i've seen you keep on talking about buying a piece of land in kelantan. are going to buy one?? if i'm not mistaken, the ruling actually was made by the british in the early of the last century... that time, kelantanese being busy selling their land to 'outsiders'. then british impose the act... most of those arabs came and buy those lands... then after the act imposed, lots of 'em had change their name, forgone their syed, sheikh title...
xx88
· 1 year ago
Tyu, Hannah is from Selangor..It's close enough...We are not so anal like Tony Pua..
EK
· 1 year ago
Import or Outsider?
1.) Yes, of course it's better to have a local born people to represent us in parliament or the state legislative council. In fact, the ideal case is to have a CAPABLE and TALENTED local born people to represent us. What I'm trying to say is if the local people is not up to standard, what's the point to have local parliamentarian who doesn't help?
2.) What if we don't have a suitable candidate from local? I'm not saying there is no talent from local but how about no one keen to be politician at that time? Then, what choice do we have? I don't know about you, but I certainly will go for a candidate whom I think is the best person that time regardless of where the candidate from.
3.) Now, let's look at it this way. You say you are "local" born, fair. My next question is how long you have been "local"? Since your great great grandfather time? That is about 100 hundred years ago? Ok, then I moved into your "place" 3 years ago. I started to join local social activities and learn and mix with your culture since then. I started to build my career and family there. I started to contribute to build the society. After 15 years, my next generation grows up. Can you say at that time that you are "local" and I'm not local just because you are there for 115 years and I am there for 18 years only? You still think that you are the "owner" of the land because you are there 100 years before me by ignoring all my contribution last 18 years? Do you think this is fair to me? (comment: This is my same argument for the 'Malay Supremacy', you can delete this comment if you want.)
4.) Next, we have to look at our political system. The party who has the majority of seats will have the executive power and become the government. That is very important note for you to decide who you should vote. Definitely, you can vote for a candidate who is good to your local community. However, do you consider the broad benefit of whole state/country? That's why sometimes you have to choose "party" instead of "person". I guess this is why the Penangites wants to kick KTK out. :-)
Generally speaking, to me it's not really a big concern to have an "outsider" MP/ADUN. The bottom-line is the quality and attitude of the representative. Let's argue about this.
Thanks,
EK
tyu
· 1 year ago
Subang Jaya people are very anal, including my relatives living there. PJ people are not like that. Most anal relatives are from Taman Desa, OUG. hahahaha
okaylah, now that you are "normal" again, watch your back, ok?
dengki
· 1 year ago
'O_O "is anwar ibrahim from kulim?" Anwar Ibrahim was born in Cherok Tok Kun, which is off the old road from Bukit Mertajam, Penang to Kulim, Kedah but on the Penang side of the state border. Yes, I would say he qualifies as being "from Kulim" Just a bit of geographical trivia.
ironic_law
· 1 year ago
Jed,
You are bringing your own VENDETTA against Tony too much I think hahaha but I doesn't like him neither. But your point does raise several question to myself lo. Yalo! Y can't we get someone LOCAL, but wait a minute hmm I guess many Malaysian are too CHICKENED-OFF to participate in politics thanks to our MamakKutty REGIME (ISA, OSA, Ops Lalang). Give us MALAYSIAN some time le, then you will see hahaha. Hopefully Bodowi still dousing in his own SLUMBER hahaha
PJU Voter
· 1 year ago
Chin Tong is from Subang Jaya. If I'm not wrong, he went to Puay Chai. can ah, for PJU?
oster
· 1 year ago
Restricting candidacy to home-grown voters is not really good because: 1.It restricts the talent pool. What if a constituency just so happen to produce two very competent people? 2.The unevenness of population within constituency means that larger constituency that may have larger talent pools contribute less. Just look at the US Senate with its 2 Senators per state rule. It produced Ted "the internet is like a series of tubes" Stevens of rural Alaska. 3.It restricts the expression of the voters, who do not necessarily mind a local or non-local dude running, but just his competency. It's essentially like the Proton monopoly, which restricts choice. 4.Federal representation should not be about overtly local issues. The reason why restriction to local people may seem like a good idea is because voters (especially KL voters who can't vote in state legislators) can only vote for their MP as a way of shaping policy, and thus longkang issues get pushed on the MPs as well, making them very local-issues-centric. The real solution to that is to institute local elections instead. cheers
Hitam Had
· 1 year ago
Jed,interesting thoughts from you. Are you suggesting that we should change the Constitution to prohibit eligible Malaysians from seeking public office in a constituency of their choosing? How to justify this if we believe in democracy? The choice is always with the electorate, notwithstanding that they had not been given the opportunity to make wise choices in the last few decades. Pax.
xx88
· 1 year ago
Pax,
Erm I think it's to protect things like KJ in Rembau..I mean is he even reallY from there? dunno if he was born there. I think Tony'case should be ok if he has been here for over 10 years. But like many commenters have said, lots of ppl in KL are from outstation. Yet, that does not mean we lack talent. I can think of a few ppl from PJ that are quite good candidates except they may not be interested in politics per se. Their parents too are "outsiders" but they were born here. We don't want opportunists to exploit the system like politicians just picking and choosing seats. How many really know/care about the community they purport to represent? --- Oster -- yes local council elections are preferred. about federal Mps, they should ideally come up with legislation that will protect a community's interest. Eg, let's say pollution is a problem then come up with a better law, or before voting in parliament try to dialogue with the community. How many ppl do that? Idealistic? Hmm..I think it's not hard.... --- PJU Voter -- Yeah, I think Chin TOng is definitely a better candidate....Although Subang is a bit far from Damansara.... --- Ironic Law -- I agree KL/PJians "chicken" mentality contributed to the imports... Off tangent a bit to Ipoh, why would Ipoh ppl vote for Kit Siang? Just 'cos he is a superstar? ---- Dengki -- You are right. ---- Oster -- You are right too. But Tony is not from PJ but Singapore, famous for being kiasu and kiasi. Just look at Tony's blog these days...Much support for Anwar? SPoke out against Altantuya? But then Tony is very busy "serving his constituents"...He even snickered at a voter's complaint... ---- EK -- Regarding "local", very simple, born here or have been here for X number of years? --- EL -- KJ? SIngapore?
Hitam Had
· 1 year ago
Jed, Hahahaha... K J was born overseas (Kuwait?) and educated in Singapore and the UK. Anyway, the concept of politics in Malaysia is to get elected into power to maintain the status quo, not something as mundane as serving the Rakyat....we have the paid civil servants to do that. I think we should be setting criteria like whether the politician is able to protect the Rakyat from both external and internal threats, able to give the Rakyat equal opportunities to prosper (ie. enable the poor to get out of the poverty trap and, yes... let the rich get richer!!), and have high moral and ethical standards to prevent themselves and others (cronies, family and paid servants) to steal from the Rakyats' funds. Pax.
Kepong Tan Seng Giaw DAP Origin: Kelantan, KL since 1976 a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tan_Seng_Giaw >Ref Batu Chua Tian Chang PKR Origin: Melaka, KL since 1996 a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian_Chua>Ref Wangsa Maju Wee Choo Keong PKR Origin: Kelantan, KL since 1992 Ref Segambut Lim Lip Eng DAP Origin: Klang Ref Setiawangsa Zulhasnan Rafique BN Origin: KL, ex Victorian P119 Titiwangsa Lo' Lo' Mohamead Ghazali PAS Origin: Kedah, KL since 1987 Ref Bukit Bintang Fong Kui Lun DAP Origin: Serdang/KL a href=http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/Streets/Tuesday/Stories/2274651/Article/index_html> ref Lembah Pantai Nurul Izzah Anwar PKR Origin:KL sinec you deleted my previous post, i ll do these AGAIN later! Seputeh Teresa Kok Suh Sim DAP KL - Cheras Tan Kok Wai DAP - KL Bandar Tun Razak Abd Khalid Ibrahim PKR - kuala selangor + KL
All Comments
You are quite right about being on assault mode.
=)
So dull to be so docile all the time...
This is the kinda practice that I hope to stop.
We don't want politicians just parachuting in wherever they like just to get into parliament or the state legislative council...
I think it's fair that only ppl born in a certain state can run in that constituency not just having an "address" from there...The politicians keep changing it anyway....
I think it really makes a diff to have an Ipoh boy, Penang lang, etc to look after a community's interest instead of some opportunists hopping in..=)
To me life should be as loosely knitted as possible like an eric dolphy or john contrane jazz improvision.
You can see that he has good suggestions but from an outsider point of view as he has not seen the vast improvements over the years along with the ruination...
I think it's an honour that he wants to serve PJ but he is not even from there..So his motives are questionable...
I believe that it's more important to safeguard a community's interest than let any Tom, Dick, Harry fly in.
I would vote for anyone regardless of race/religion from a community than a parachutist.
Well, the candidate should be ideally qualified too. And each community should have enough talent.
Just to show that I'm not picking on Tony (although I am still playing that hobby "game", don't take it so seriously-lah), Lim Si Pin, Gerakan candidate for Batu vs Tian (MP), is from Ipoh.
Why doesn't Si Pi run in Ipoh?
take khairy jamaluddin for instance, yes, he's from rembau, but he's only being the wakil rakyat there so he could become the next hot shot PM, even knowing himself what a bastard he really is, please pardon my french.
when you say that you want someone who originated there to contest in the election, i understand what you mean, you want his/her heart there so that he would properly to take care of the place. but apparently thats not really the case with most politicians in Malaysia. too much power greedy people here in this country, no wait, let me correct that, THE WORLD.
i gotta tell ya, im no anwar supporter, so yes, the same opinion befalls on him, when he's running around saying that he'll contest anywhere it need be so that it'll be his ticket to the PM post. and that tells us a lot. the word opportunist (just like how you mentioned) kind of spelled itself out loud on that one.
anyway, its O_O not O-O, haha, just kidding =P
I agree. I think it's quite despicable that politicians like Anwar say they can contest anywhere they like. Like KJ in Rembau..
I mean, would you believe them if they say they have the interests of the community at heart?
Why should KLians/PJians give thess opportunists a free ticket to parliament?
I am surprised Penang voted for so many outsiders but they must be pissed off with Koh Tsu Koon.
I have no plans to be an MP/ADUN. There are other ppl from KL/PJ who are much better candidates.
Even if I do run, I have no plans and don't see any in the future, I won't jump to some "safe" seat like erm, lots of BN ppl -- Yen2 in Raub, Hee Leong (i think he is pretty much a KL boy? am i wrong??), tian in batu (should be in malacca), KJ in rembau...
I agree with WilayahKini, the system is being exploited to such an extent that it's farcical. Elected reps should represent the community, not be a ticket to parliament/state assembly.
We don't most of the time.
There is no or llittle discrimination when it comes to cari makan, biz, etc
But if u want to represent us, then at least be born here?
jed, i've seen you keep on talking about buying a piece of land in kelantan. are going to buy one?? if i'm not mistaken, the ruling actually was made by the british in the early of the last century... that time, kelantanese being busy selling their land to 'outsiders'. then british impose the act... most of those arabs came and buy those lands... then after the act imposed, lots of 'em had change their name, forgone their syed, sheikh title...
1.) Yes, of course it's better to have a local born people to represent us in parliament or the state legislative council.
In fact, the ideal case is to have a CAPABLE and TALENTED local born people to represent us.
What I'm trying to say is if the local people is not up to standard, what's the point to have local parliamentarian who doesn't help?
2.) What if we don't have a suitable candidate from local?
I'm not saying there is no talent from local but how about no one keen to be politician at that time?
Then, what choice do we have? I don't know about you,
but I certainly will go for a candidate whom I think is the best person that time regardless of where the candidate from.
3.) Now, let's look at it this way. You say you are "local" born, fair.
My next question is how long you have been "local"? Since your great great grandfather time?
That is about 100 hundred years ago? Ok, then I moved into your "place" 3 years ago.
I started to join local social activities and learn and mix with your culture since then.
I started to build my career and family there. I started to contribute to build the society.
After 15 years, my next generation grows up.
Can you say at that time that you are "local" and I'm not local just because you are there for 115 years and I am there for 18 years only?
You still think that you are the "owner" of the land because you are there 100 years before me by ignoring all my contribution last 18 years?
Do you think this is fair to me?
(comment: This is my same argument for the 'Malay Supremacy', you can delete this comment if you want.)
4.) Next, we have to look at our political system.
The party who has the majority of seats will have the executive power and become the government.
That is very important note for you to decide who you should vote.
Definitely, you can vote for a candidate who is good to your local community.
However, do you consider the broad benefit of whole state/country?
That's why sometimes you have to choose "party" instead of "person".
I guess this is why the Penangites wants to kick KTK out. :-)
Generally speaking, to me it's not really a big concern to have an "outsider" MP/ADUN.
The bottom-line is the quality and attitude of the representative.
Let's argue about this.
Thanks,
EK
okaylah, now that you are "normal" again, watch your back, ok?
Anwar Ibrahim was born in Cherok Tok Kun, which is off the old road from Bukit Mertajam, Penang to Kulim, Kedah but on the Penang side of the state border. Yes, I would say he qualifies as being "from Kulim"
Just a bit of geographical trivia.
You are bringing your own VENDETTA against Tony too much I think hahaha but I doesn't like him neither. But your point does raise several question to myself lo. Yalo! Y can't we get someone LOCAL, but wait a minute hmm I guess many Malaysian are too CHICKENED-OFF to participate in politics thanks to our MamakKutty REGIME (ISA, OSA, Ops Lalang). Give us MALAYSIAN some time le, then you will see hahaha. Hopefully Bodowi still dousing in his own SLUMBER hahaha
can ah, for PJU?
1.It restricts the talent pool. What if a constituency just so happen to produce two very competent people?
2.The unevenness of population within constituency means that larger constituency that may have larger talent pools contribute less. Just look at the US Senate with its 2 Senators per state rule. It produced Ted "the internet is like a series of tubes" Stevens of rural Alaska.
3.It restricts the expression of the voters, who do not necessarily mind a local or non-local dude running, but just his competency. It's essentially like the Proton monopoly, which restricts choice.
4.Federal representation should not be about overtly local issues. The reason why restriction to local people may seem like a good idea is because voters (especially KL voters who can't vote in state legislators) can only vote for their MP as a way of shaping policy, and thus longkang issues get pushed on the MPs as well, making them very local-issues-centric. The real solution to that is to institute local elections instead.
cheers
Pax.
Erm I think it's to protect things like KJ in Rembau..I mean is he even reallY from there? dunno if he was born there.
I think Tony'case should be ok if he has been here for over 10 years.
But like many commenters have said, lots of ppl in KL are from outstation.
Yet, that does not mean we lack talent.
I can think of a few ppl from PJ that are quite good candidates except they may not be interested in politics per se.
Their parents too are "outsiders" but they were born here.
We don't want opportunists to exploit the system like politicians just picking and choosing seats. How many really know/care about the community they purport to represent?
---
Oster -- yes local council elections are preferred. about federal Mps, they should ideally come up with legislation that will protect a community's interest. Eg, let's say pollution is a problem then come up with a better law, or before voting in parliament try to dialogue with the community. How many ppl do that? Idealistic? Hmm..I think it's not hard....
---
PJU Voter -- Yeah, I think Chin TOng is definitely a better candidate....Although Subang is a bit far from Damansara....
---
Ironic Law -- I agree KL/PJians "chicken" mentality contributed to the imports...
Off tangent a bit to Ipoh, why would Ipoh ppl vote for Kit Siang? Just 'cos he is a superstar?
----
Dengki -- You are right.
----
Oster -- You are right too. But Tony is not from PJ but Singapore, famous for being kiasu and kiasi. Just look at Tony's blog these days...Much support for Anwar? SPoke out against Altantuya? But then Tony is very busy "serving his constituents"...He even snickered at a voter's complaint...
----
EK -- Regarding "local", very simple, born here or have been here for X number of years?
---
EL -- KJ? SIngapore?
Pax.
ref for MP list
Kepong Tan Seng Giaw DAP Origin: Kelantan, KL since 1976 a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tan_Seng_Giaw >Ref
Batu Chua Tian Chang PKR Origin: Melaka, KL since 1996 a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian_Chua>Ref
Wangsa Maju Wee Choo Keong PKR Origin: Kelantan, KL since 1992 Ref
Segambut Lim Lip Eng DAP Origin: Klang Ref
Setiawangsa Zulhasnan Rafique BN Origin: KL, ex Victorian
P119 Titiwangsa Lo' Lo' Mohamead Ghazali PAS Origin: Kedah, KL since 1987 Ref
Bukit Bintang Fong Kui Lun DAP Origin: Serdang/KL a href=http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/Streets/Tuesday/Stories/2274651/Article/index_html> ref
Lembah Pantai Nurul Izzah Anwar PKR Origin:KL
sinec you deleted my previous post, i ll do these AGAIN later!
Seputeh Teresa Kok Suh Sim DAP KL -
Cheras Tan Kok Wai DAP - KL
Bandar Tun Razak Abd Khalid Ibrahim PKR - kuala selangor + KL